Warning!
1. Lot's of photos; an insane amount of photos.
2. Crass talk about money. This suit will strike some people as expensive and others as cheap. If I am coy, and I don't give you the objective facts, I don't know how you are supposed to judge whether you consider it's construction fair value for money or not.
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Actually, both sets of trousers had worn out, and the jacket was looking a little threadbare too, so it's not quite as decadent as my title suggests. My husband works in a conservative environment and has a quirky body shape. He is 6'2" tall, athletic, but with narrow shoulders as a matter of bone structure. His shoulder points are high, like a swimmer's. Off the peg suits make him look like a scarecrow. So, he buys his suits custom made. The set up is this, order takers come to London, measure up the clients, take notes on fabric choices, and then have the suits made in the Far East. This means that a suit out of good, Italian milled wool is about £650, or $1000 USD. An extra pair of trousers is about another £150. A sensible buy since trousers wear out before jackets,
always.
Yikes!
Then again, it's not so bad when you consider that my husband only owns three suits at a time, sometimes only two. He keeps a suit for about 6 years. Imagine if a female work wardrobe consisted of three suits, eight shirts, ten ties, and two pairs of brogues! And you
literally wore all this stuff
until it fell apart! You could then buy clothes that were twice as expensive without batting an eyelash.
Maybe you actually could do that. Maybe no one else would really notice. I doubt the men in the office would notice; women might, though. Would they judge? I would. I'd think you were clever!
But, I digress. Let's have a look at it. Remember, this is a decent suit, but certainly
not top quality. A Saville Row suit would start at £2000. Alas, I don't have access to one of those.
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| It looks horrible on my dress form. My dress form is a chubby pear, like me. Luckily, my dear husband is not a chubby pear! Sorry about the shadow. You get the basic idea though. |
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| You get three double welt pockets in the front. Two with flaps. Note how the edge of the pocket flap has been hand picked-stitched down very carefully. This is not meant to stand out at all. |
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| The button holes are all done by hand. Also, notice that the edge is hand picked-stitched all the way down the front. |
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| Two out of four button holes on the sleeve vent actually work. The top two are fakes. Sneaky! |
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| You get a breast pocket for your silk hanky. My husband would be mortified to sport around with a silk hanky. Wrong generation. You can see the pick-stitching on the edge of the lapel. |
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| Single vent in the back. |
Those are the basics. Let's look a little closer.
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| The back of the collar is felt/flannel fabric and there is machine stitching in concentric circles and triangles. The edge of the collar is hand-stitched down too. |
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| One more view of the same thing. The top collar piece is one piece. The bottom collar piece is one piece. (The line down the middle is a line of stitching, not a join of two pieces of fabric.) The bottom collar piece is NOT cut on the bias. |
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| Now this is interesting. I always struggle to get notched collars looking sharp. They just let the edge of the collar hang off and then tucked it under, stitching it tight to the underside of the collar. The edge is left raw! The look from the front is perfect, and this must be so much easier than what we all try to do. |
Now for the lining.
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| You get three inside pockets. All double welts. Two with little tab button closures. |
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| I don't know what these little things under the arm holes are. I am totally ignorant. They are sewn down firmly. Maybe to add strength? Absorb sweat? |
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| There are little buttons on the inside opposite from the main buttons to add strength. You can see that, where the lining meets the facing, it has been machine sewn. |
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| But there is a load of hand-stitching on this lining. This is the sleeve cap and where the shoulders meet. |
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| More hand sewing where the bottom of the lining meets the hem turn up. There is about a centimetre of folded lining fabric at the bottom for ease. There was no ease pleat in the centre back of the lining, though. |
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| Hand stitching was also used to "make stuff work." Like here, where the back corner of the collar slots into the lapel. |
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| No back stay. |
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| It's a two piece sleeve with no canvas. Just a bit of fusible interfacing around the sleeve vent and sleeve hem. |
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| The lining was tacked down to seam allowances where possible. In this case the centre back seam allowance. |
Let's look at the "
guts!"
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| I've tucked the sleeve out of the way and cut away all the pocket bags, so you could see behind them. You can see that the front of the suit has a knitted, fusible interfacing on all three pieces of the body. Then there is a layer of canvas from shoulder to breast area. Then a layer of fiber-y stuff that is machine pad-stitched down. Finally, the shoulder pads go on top of that. |
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| The shoulder pads are made out of three layers. Two thin, graduated layers of wadding type material, with a thin layer of foam glued in the middle. |
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| Close up of the machine "pad stitching." |
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| This is what the sleeve heads consist of: two layers of canvas. That's it. They come well down the sides of the arm hole. |
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| There are two thin strips of soft canvas hand-stitched where the lapel roll line is. This same soft canvas in strips, lines the outer edges of the the lapel. |
Now the home stretch, if you are still with me!
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| There is canvas inside the collar. It is machine stitched to the flannel, under-collar. There is also a soft canvas strip, machine sewn to where the collar roll line would be. |
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| Just another angle of the collar. |
Phew! That's all folks!
My thoughts? Well,
Sherri's RTW sew along had more bells and whistles in some ways than this jacket. Though I must say that this jacket looked fine on my dear husband and was worn for years. The magic of it is the fit. He looked tall, strong and elegant in it. There may be better constructed RTW, but the fit wouldn't flatter.
Anybody have a decent RTW suit they are willing to pull apart?
Anybody have a Saville Row suit that they want to dissect, he-he?
Fascinating stuff, I want to take apart one of my husbands Hong Kong made suits now! I'm a bit shocked how they did the notched collar and the make it work hand sewing (that I do all the time on my stuff!), but hey the suit lasted and fit perfectly. You're right those underarm thingies are to protect against sweat, This blog http://tuttofattoamano.blogspot is written by a tailor and he has done some posts in the past ripping apart scarily expensive suits.
ReplyDeleteSo I was right! I bet your husband's suits are pretty much the same. This was one was ordered in London, but made in the Far East (China?). Could have been the same workroom!
DeleteThat's fascinating, thanks for sharing! I'm impressed how much handstitching went into this. I'd love for someone to dissect some brand-name tailored RTW clothes, e.g. Burberry, to see if the mark-up is justified. (I don't have any to share, sadly.) Personally, I think your husband's suit is worth its money considering what RTW costs!
ReplyDeleteI agree! There are cheaper RTW suits, but there are also a lot that would be even more expensive and wouldn't fit him particularly well.
DeleteLoved the tour! I noticed the canvas on the undercollar WAS cut on the bias. I find the wider canvas strip on the roll lines interesting too as we always think twill tape or something much narrower. I can see where the wider strip could give a softer roll. The handpicking is also quite interesting and can't say that I have seen that on men's suits. Nice touch.
ReplyDeleteGood spot on the collar canvas Bunny! I had failed to notice that, and it probably explains why the flannel isn't on the bias.
DeleteThis sort of hand picking on all the edges, bar the hem, on a man's suit is pretty common here in London. Sometimes it's quite obvious. I don't know if it is a design detail, or just a way of bashing the on-looker over the head as if to say: "Hey look! This suit is hand-picked!"
I never paid attention to men's suits till I got married and had a man in my life. Not that there were many suits around growing up in Florida.
Thanks so much for sharing the inside story. I'm especially impressed with the collar technique and of course all the handstitching. Years ago Sandra betzina took apart some high end jackets that she got on clearance at a pricey consignment store in San Francisco. Each one had some slightly different interior details which was reassuring that there's no one right way to accomplish sewing or tailoring objectives.
ReplyDeleteI think this is a middle market jacket. It looks nice on and wore pretty well. I was just shocked to see that they didn't bother with loads of stuff that the on-line sewing community agonises over. Like you said, there is more than one "right way" to get results!
DeleteVery interesting! I'm also amazed by the amount of hand stitching. I've always thought all the hand stitching I do was very "home-y" (if you know what I mean) when it comes to sewing, so it's interesting to see it in ready to wear. Thanks for the photos!
ReplyDeleteYea! And there hand-stitching isn't any neater than ours! It would probably be a lot better on a higher end suit.
DeleteThis was really interesting to see! I was also surprised at the amount of hand-stitching involved, but I guess this would be more on the couture end of things! Just out of curiosity, is that lining turquoise, or is that how it photographed? If it really is turquoise, then that's really fun!
ReplyDeleteYes, it's turquoise. Men here in London like to pick a really obnoxious lining when they have a suit made to measure. I guess it is the fun of being able to customise a bit and make a rebellious choice that can only be seen on the inside. It also flags up that your suit is made to measure when you take your jacket off and hang it over the back of your chair.
DeleteThat is definitely interesting, I would never have guessed there'd be so much handstitching in a RTW garment. They must be lightning fast at handstitching, becuase if they were as slow as I am, they'd probably still be working on it a year later! ;-)
ReplyDeleteIt's not a RTW suit, it is made to measure. That said, I am sure that there are more expensive, better made RTW suits available to buy.
DeleteI agree, it's a surprising amount of hand work. I would have thought they'd bag the lining.
Really interesting! I've been scouring my tailoring books to see how they do jackets (I'm starting a suit), and there are some good pictures, but yours are by far the best! This is great Karin, I'll bookmark this post for the future!
ReplyDeleteI'm tickled pink to help you out!
DeleteOooh! This is an awesome post, Karin! I've often thought about dissecting one of my husband's suits (which are a similar quality to your husband's), but since he started working from home, their lifespan has been prolonged.
ReplyDeleteLucky boy!
DeleteMy husband once had a winter blazer that was "handed down" but way too big so I pulled it apart to see how it was made & hopefully rework the size. I was surprised for 2 reasons - firstly it was so shockingly put together & messy on the inside something I never thought I would see and secondly, alot of it was stitched by hand! I thought only couture & 'homemade' sported handstitching!
ReplyDeleteAnyway, it was an interesting learning curve for me & I wish I had taken pics. Perhaps I will do the same to the next inappropriate "handmedown" & share all my findings with you.
Fabulous and fascinating! Thanks for doing this. I love seeing the insides
ReplyDeleteFascinating! and all that hand-stitching makes it well worth the prices we pay, I think!
ReplyDeleteI am shocked at that tacked down collar though, with the raw edge on show. I immediately ran in to check my husband's suits and although none of them are Savile Row! they do have the collar finished properly...
Yea, the collar was a real surprise for me too. His other suits are the same. His Boden, RTW blazer is finished properly. Go figure!
DeleteVery cool. Thanks for taking that apart and showing us what's inside that jacket. Look at all that marvelous hand stitching! How do they have the patience to do that?
ReplyDeleteI can't tell you how much I appreciate this post! You've done a tremendous amount of work to photograph and explain everything.
ReplyDeleteThis year I plan to attempt my first suit, so I'll definitely refer back to this.
It's so interesting to see a deconstruction process when we're usually seeing construction in this blogworld of sewing!
ReplyDeleteI, too, am surprised at the amount of hand sewing. My husband, being the most common men's size apparently, gets his suits from a box retailer, and I doubt there's any handsewing (although I haven't looked).
And regarding your thoughts about men having fewer, more expensive clothes...I've been reading that book that been mentioned a few times here and there: "Overdressed". It seems that until we exported our labor and dramatically reduced our fabric quality and garment details, even women were buying just a few items at higher prices. I guess that's the opposite of fast fashion!
So very interesting, thank you! So the chest piece--the wadding is pad-stitched to the canvas? Or the fashion fabric? Pad stitching still totally escapes me. I don't understand the wherefores, and I've never figured out where it does/does not show on the outside of the finished garment. I'm not a tailoring kind of gal, so it's all academic to me.
ReplyDeleteWould LOVE the convince thw boyfriend to get one of these suits made. He is tall and lanky and the shoulders on RTW are ginormous on him.
Darn, I have already put the jacket in the textile recycling bin.
DeleteI believe the pad stitching was to the canvas. It certainly wasn't to the fashion fabric.
If your bf wears suits regularly, I think it is definitely worth it. My dh probably wears one of these suit jackets about 500 times before he wears it out. So on a price per wear basis, it's quite reasonable. And he looks very polished.
Fascinating!!!! I did this recently on a much cheaper RTW suit a friend of mine was discarding (well worn with holes!). In some areas they went into more detail that this, and in other areas this suit has more detailing (and a LOT more handstitching). I would do anything to get a close up macro-shot of those handworked buttonholes? It's something I'm trying really hard to work on at the moment. Also, curious to know if the pick-stitching is visible on the wrong side?
ReplyDeleteIf you click on the pictures, they blow up much bigger. To be honest, they don't look bad, but they are nothing particularly special. I am pretty confident that any of us would do a more careful job!
DeleteA really instructive tour of your husband ('s suit!) which reminds me in shape and height of my elder son's frame. He, too, needs to have suits hand-tailored. I'm amazed at the cheat on the collar notch, but I've noticed this before on my husband's suits from Hong Kong. Any chance of your sharing the tailor's info? I'm sure my boys would like to compare his work and prices with their Cambridge-based Moss Bros men.
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Ohhh if that is how you trash a suit, I love it! If only my hubby wasn't a plumber....that is, unless you want to dissect King Gee Menswear?????
ReplyDeleteAh, the anatomy of a jacket! It's a lovely thing indeed!
ReplyDeleteI think it would be so much fun to sew a suit some day! My boyfriend is pretty normal sized, though, except for his teeny tiny waist...but that's just a relatively easy alteration, not something fun requiring custom made clothes!
ReplyDeleteWhat an interesting post. My husband wants me to make him a suit, as RTW does not fit him well, but I think he is completely crazy to think I could/would do this. Made to measure sounds like a much better idea! There is a lot of hand stitching there.
ReplyDeleteI love picking apart made-to-measure garments! My DH should do the made-to-measure thing, but since he's in construction, doesn't wear suits very often and hates to put out the $$, even though I tell him it will look better and last longer. When I first met him I convinced him to do the made-to-measure, and that was a fascinating garment to dissect once it was worn through. All the hand sewing is apparently common in better made men's jackets, including the hand picked stitches along edges. I'm always surprised at how much hand stitching there is when closely examining mens' jackets. I had to re-line a friend's ancient Harris Tweed blazer, and I was pleasantly surprised to see a lot of the techniques we use in our "home" sewing, and way more hand stitches than I had thought! This applies to women's clothing of a certain price range, too, I've noticed over the years. What's been grabbing my attention lately is the hems on dresses that cost upwards of $1000: they are never pressed crisply, but left to themselves with soft edges... like a couture dress hem. Interesting and informative post!
ReplyDeleteI saw you post this last week, but did not have time to read it in its entirety at that time. I kept a mental note of it so I could get back to it. VERY INTERESTING. Thanks for posting this.
ReplyDeleteVery interesting and informative, really appreciate the time you took to share this. Great job.
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